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BUNTINE, W.H.C. (Lyle) - 2nd Lieut, RFC
« on: November 05, 2012, 02:45:34 PM »
Hi guys
Just working on my accidental deaths database – and was wondering if anyone can help clear up a few queries on Lyle Buntine?

First of all – his correct date of death: CWGC website shows 15/6/1917 – all other sources (as per my file details below) show 19/6/1917 – see also headstone photo below (lifted from another website) – would you agree the date looks more like the 19th??

Secondly, whether he actually won an MC or the DSO – all sources state MC, (including headstone) – but Flight magazine (see below details) quotes from a gazette supplement (the original of which I can’t seem to find on line) that he was awarded a DSO

I’d also be very grateful for any details in regard to the accident in which he died, & who may have been flying the plane (if not him – as no other airmen seem to have been buried around that day, the 15th or 19th, at the Girvan Cemetery)

Many thanks for anything you may be able to offer, cheers, Frev

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BUNTINE, Walter Horace Carlyle (Lyle) – 2nd Lieut (MC), RFC
Died 19/6/1917 in a flying accident at Turnberry, Scotland
Buried Girvan (Doune) Cemetery, Scotland
Photo of grave: http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=68801762
Listed on the Honour Board of the Melbourne Swimming Club


CWGC states died 15/6/1917 – all other sources 19/6/17
http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/663601/BUNTINE,%20W%20H%20C
AWM Commemorative Roll – 19/6/1917
http://www.awm.gov.au/research/people/commemorative_roll/person.asp?p=566165
UK Soldiers Died in the Great War – 19/6/1917
Brit Medal Index Card – 19/6/1917
Melbourne Uni Medical Magazine, The Speculum – 19/6/1917


Born 10/8/1895 Hawksburn, Vic – son of Walter Murray BUNTINE (Headmaster) & Bertha Florence GIBBS – who married 11/7/1894

Siblings: Richard Murray b.1897; Martyn Arnold b.1898 – WW1: Enl just before Armistice & not called for duty; Bertha Mary Gladys b.1901; Robert Douglas b.1906

Education: Caulfield Grammar School (receiving a 1st prize in both Science & Gymnastics in 1910) & Melbourne Univeristy – Medical student

WW1:
Enlisted 15/5/1915 – Cpl 243, Hospital Ship details, AAMC
Embarked 17/7/1915 on the Orsova for England, arriving late August
Discharged from the AIF 19/9/15 upon receiving a commission in the British Army

20/9/1915: 2nd Lieut (on probation), Nottingham & Derbyshire Regt (4th Bn S.F.)
Passed his Royal Aero Club Aviator’s Certificate in a Maurice Farman Biplane on the 16/5/1916 at the Military School in Thetford (as 2nd Lieut, 4th Sherwood Foresters)
2/7/1916: Flying Officer
Wounded September 1916
RTA on a few months furlough on the Kaisar I Hind, arriving end of November 1916
Embarked March 1917 for return to England, travelling as far as Malta on the SS Medina
Appointed temporary Instructor at the School of Aerial Gunnery, Turnberry, Scotland
He was killed in a flying accident (whilst a passenger?)

[Unit: 11 Sqdn – Aircraft F.E.2b – Serial No. 6988]


The Argus, Sat 17 Jul 1915:
MEDICAL STUDENTS
The following second and third year medical students from the Melbourne University are leaving with the Army Medical Corps for the front.  These young students are giving up their studies in the meantime, and will be doing duty in hospital ships and base hospital work wherever required: - ……. W.H.C. Buntine, …………..

The Argus, Mon 1 Nov 1915:
Mr W.H.C Buntine, son of the head master of Caulfield Grammar School, who left Australia as corporal in the Army Medical Corps in July last, has transferred to the Imperial Forces in England.  He has obtained a commission, and is now attached to the Notts and Derby Regiment, 4th Battalion, which is stationed for the present at Tynemouth, England.

Flight, July 20, 1916:
The Royal Aero Club of the United Kingdom
Election of Members – The following New Members were elected: -
……………………………………..
Second Lieut Walter Horace Carlyle Buntine, RFC
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Flight, Sept 21, 1916:
Wounded
Second Lieut W.H.C. Buntine, Sher. For. and R.F.C.

The Argus, Wed 18 Oct 1916:
MILITARY CROSS AWARD
It has been learned by cable that Lieutenant W.H.C. Buntine, eldest son of the head master of Caulfield Grammar School, who was recently reported wounded in France, has been awarded the Military Cross for his services.  He was a pilot in the Royal Flying Corps, and has been on active service for some months in connection with the great offensive.

Flight, Oct 26, 1916:
FURTHER REWARDS FOR R.F.C.
In a supplement to the London Gazette, issued on October 20th, it was announced that H.M. the King has been graciously pleased to approve of the appointments of the under-mentioned officers to be Companions of the Distinguished Service Order, in recognition of their gallantry and devotion to duty in the field:
Second Lieut WALTER H.C. BUNTINE, Notts, and Derby R. and R.F.C.
For conspicuous gallantry and skill.  As escort to a bombing raid he attacked several hostile machines, one of which fell to the ground nose first.  Later he was attacked by three enemy machines, his own machine being damaged and himself severely wounded.  With great skill he managed to land in our lines, though most of his propeller was shot away and his machine otherwise much damaged.

Gippsland Mercury (Sale, Vic), Tue 28 Nov 1916:
GALLANT AUSTRALIAN AIRMAN PAYS TRIBUTE TO BRAVE FOE
“BOELKE WAS GREAT SPORT”
Fremantle, Wednesday
Among the passengers on the Kaiser-I-Hind is Lieutenant W.H.C. Buntine, of the Royal British Flying Corps, who was recently wounded in France, while engaged with a number of German aviators.  He is a holder of the Military Cross.
Lieutenant Buntine, who is a son of the headmaster of the Caulfield, Grammar School, Melbourne, and a native of Melbourne, was originally a member of the Australian Imperial Force.  He resigned to join the Army Medical Corps [sic], and ultimately entered the Flying Corps.  He started flying in April, and for the past few months had been engaged with a fighting squadron on the Somme.  He was wounded in September.
“I was tackling some machines ahead,” he said, “when some others came up behind, and let me have two bullets right in the arm.  I had been shot down no less than six times, but this was the first time I had been wounded.  On one occasion I had to land as the result of a bullet penetrating the petrol tank.  It happened that I landed at Pozieres just after it had been taken by the Australians.
“The Germans commenced shelling me, but I managed to get clear all right.”
Lieutenant Buntine paid a high tribute to the sportsmanship of Captain Boelke, the German aviator, who was recently killed.
“I happened to engage him on one occasion, and found him a splendid opponent.  It was about the time he had brought down his twentieth machine.  I was out with a squadron of fighting machines, and went away on my own.  Boelke singled me out, and for some time we manoeuvred for the advantage, all the time peppering away with machine guns.  Finally Boelke passed me at an angle from which neither of us could fire.  His machine was quite close to me, and as he passed he grinned up at me and waved his hand.
“He was a great sport, I was sorry to hear of his death.”

Oakleigh & Caulfield Times Mulgrave & Ferntree Gully Guardian, 26 May 1917:
Lieut W.H.C. Buntine, eldest son of Mr W.M. Buntine, M.A., (principle of Caulfield Grammar School) and nephew of Mrs S.W. Bindley, of Ferntre Gully road, Mulgrave, has been awarded the Military Medal.  He was a member of the Royal (British) Flying Corps, and as escort to a bombing raid brought down three enemy machines almost single-handed.  Although severely wounded in the right arm in two places, with most of the propeller shot away and the tank pierced, with great skill he managed to land in the British lines.  He was in Australia for three moths on furlough and has returned to the seat of war.

Oakleigh & Caulfield Times Mulgrave & Ferntree Gully Guardian, 30 Jun 1917:
The War
By cable message received Mrs W.C. Buntine, of Caulfield Grammar School, has been informed of the death, through aeroplane accident, of his son, Lieutenant Walter Horace Carlyle Buntine, of the Royal Flying Corps.  Lieutenant Buntine, who is a nephew of Mrs Bindley, of Notting Hill, had only recently returned to England after two months at home having been wounded while on active service in France.  He was awarded the Military Cross for conspicuous gallantry and skill.

Brighton Southern Cross (Vic), Sat 30 Jun 1917:
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Lieut Buntine only recently returned to England, leaving here in the ill-fated “Medina,” which was torpedoed in the English Channel.  He, however, missed that exciting experience through disembarking at Malta.

The Speculum, Sept 1917 (p.115-6)
Lieutenant W.H.C. Buntine, M.C.
[Photo]
Lieutenant Walter Horace Carlyle Buntine, M.C., was killed on July 19th last, at Turnberry, in Scotland.  We learn that he had been appointed to the Instructional Staff temporarily, at the School of Aerial Gunnery.  He met his death by aeroplane accident whilst a passenger.
Lyle Buntine was educated at the Caulfield Grammar School, where he took a large share of the honours in work and in sport.  Proceeding to the Melbourne University, he was attending lectures in medicine when war broke out.  He immediately volunteered, but being only 18 years of age had to obtain his parents’ consent, which was not given till 1915, when he left with the A.A.M.C. as a corporal.  In England he transferred to the English Army, obtaining his commission first in the Sherwood Forresters, and later in the Royal Flying Corps.
In July, 1916, he left with his unit for France, and saw service during the Somme offensive and at Pozieres, where he won his Military Cross.  He was shot down six times by anit-aircraft guns, and was wounded in the arm at Gommecourt.  After some weeks in hospital he returned for a few months to Australia, and then left again to report for duty, when he met his death.  To his people we offer our very sincere sympathy, and those of us who knew Lyle felt that he would always give of his best for Australia and the Empire.
“A very gallant gentleman.”


AWM Photo: http://cas.awm.gov.au/photograph/DA09253
Description
Studio portrait of four soldiers dressed in their training uniforms. One soldier (standing, left) is identified as 243 Corporal (Cpl) Walter Horace Carlyle Buntine, Unit Hospital Ship Details, of Hawksburn, Vic. Cpl Buntine enlisted on 15 May 1915 and served at a Clearing Hospital from 22 May 1915 until 17 July 1915; at the Hospital Ship Details Corps from 17 July 1915 until 19 September 1915. In 1916 Buntine was commissioned into the Royal Flying Corps (RFC) as a 2nd Lieutenant pilot and he was later awarded the Military Cross for his actions. During one such aerial action he was severely wounded but managed to crash land his damaged aircraft in the allied lines. He was discharged from the RFC on medical grounds on 19 September 1919. [???? - contact AWM re his death]


See also photo with Royal Aero Club Certificate

http://www.cooeehistory.com.au/index.php/historical-research/116-lyles-war-1915--1917

http://www.worldnavalships.com/item.php?ProdID=11656


About his father: http://adb.anu.edu.au/biography/buntine-walter-murray-5423

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Re: BUNTINE, W.H.C. (Lyle) - Lieut, RFC
« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2012, 03:05:27 PM »
Frev

A little extra: FE2b 6988 of No 11 Sqn RFC was damaged in a forced landing on 9 September 1916 after a successful combat near Pommier while on a bombing escort mission to Irles; 2Lt W H C Buntine was wounded and Sgt G J Morton was OK.  They were credited with a victory over a German LVG C-type near Achiet-le-Grand at 16:30.

2Lt W H C Buntine and Sgt Stanley Charles Appleton (3661) of No 2 (Auxiliary) School of Aerial Gunnery were killed in an accident while flying FE2b A817 on 19 June 1917.  The aeroplane stalled on a turn after take off at Dalquhat Farm and burnt after crashing.  Sgt Appleton is buried in his home town of Warrington, Lancashire.

I hope this is useful.

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Re: BUNTINE, W.H.C. (Lyle) - Lieut, RFC
« Reply #2 on: November 05, 2012, 03:13:31 PM »
Thanks so much Gareth (very useful!) - I knew you'd definately have some interesting information to add (& so quick too!!)
I'll add these details to my file  {{6
And it's looking more & more like I'll have to present a case to the CWGC to get the date of death changed on their website...
Cheers, Frev

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Re: BUNTINE, W.H.C. (Lyle) - Lieut, RFC
« Reply #3 on: November 05, 2012, 03:50:23 PM »
Hi Frev,

Your ears must have been burning as Gareth and I were talking about you (all good of course) as we prepared your "14-'18 Journal for mailing yesterday!

The DSO ciatation in Flight is actually his MC citation (I hope this link works);

http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/29793/supplements/10174

I hope that is of assistance.

Andrew
"Like another of my pilot friends, he had no ambition to be the most famous pilot in the world. He wanted to be the oldest." - Neville Shute Norway on Henry Worrall.

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Re: BUNTINE, W.H.C. (Lyle) - Lieut, RFC
« Reply #4 on: November 05, 2012, 03:51:45 PM »
I just thought if the link doesn't work the citation can be found
 
Gazette Issue 29793 published on the 20 October 1916. Page 6 of 46

 
"Like another of my pilot friends, he had no ambition to be the most famous pilot in the world. He wanted to be the oldest." - Neville Shute Norway on Henry Worrall.

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Re: BUNTINE, W.H.C. (Lyle) - Lieut, RFC
« Reply #5 on: November 06, 2012, 03:13:14 PM »

Thanks big time Andrew - the link worked brilliantly - and another little niggle sorted!
Don't know why I couldn't find it - must be 'losing it' I guess  :'(

So, I have a 'great read' ahead of me huh! - I'll keep my eye out for the postie.
Cheers, Frev
(PS - No my ears weren't burning - 'cos you were only saying nice things; right!!!!)

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Re: BUNTINE, W.H.C. (Lyle) - Lieut, RFC
« Reply #6 on: November 07, 2012, 11:36:29 PM »

Thanks big time Andrew - the link worked brilliantly - and another little niggle sorted!
Don't know why I couldn't find it - must be 'losing it' I guess  :'(

So, I have a 'great read' ahead of me huh! - I'll keep my eye out for the postie.
Cheers, Frev
(PS - No my ears weren't burning - 'cos you were only saying nice things; right!!!!)

Of course they were nice things,let me know what you think of the Jurnal. 2013 will see two Journals published for members, that hasnt happened in the Society since 1965!!

Andrew
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